October 6, 2013

page 17 of this. This will be known far and why as the only comic strip drawn entirely in microsoft bob.

I keep forgetting that I can simply draw over the pictures from before and use most of the same dialog. I don’t need to redraw and rewrite everything.


when I went to redraw this one, I eventually remembered that the additional device enters a code to start the car. Since the car has already been started it is unnecessary. But I liked the visual clutter, and perhaps I should have drawn it anyway and not thought what it was doing.
I had the car start earlier so that I could show it entering the detour, because otherwise it does not need to go anywhere. Me from 12/8 years ago is a very strange writing partner.

I tried using my quacom tablet to redraw my layout rather than the “usual” way, which is to use the mouse for that. Since I did this in an attempt to be faster, you can be certain that it took longer.

When I reviewed these, I discovered that I formerly drew the lizard’s nose as less bulbous and schnozly, and eyes in general as smaller and less focused toward the center, as I was in a phase when I thought I should make things harder for me. I like the look which resulted, even if it does not suit the awkward personality. I don’t know why this solution did not occur to me sooner. It might not make sense that clothing could alter a being’s physical structure, but many things do not. This did occur in 1994’s The Shadow but I just presumed it was really bad editing around stunt scenes. That’s the way we do it in America; everything’s fake.


HEY. That’s the U S of A you’re talkin’ about, pal.

At one point I had intended to have the lizard, whose original font was the redundantly named Pixiefont, speak in a coincidentally similar but slightly creepier-looking font called Gorey while wearing the hat, but I stopped using fonts between it jumping out a window and the next time it spoke, so that did not occur. And maybe it is best to keep visual signals to a minimum, so the viewer would have to decide how much influence the questionable head-adornment is giving at any point. However, for now it is supposed to be obvious.



5 Responses
  1. 1
    6:38 am, October 7, 2013
    A tuber with tuberculosis sez:

    I have to admit I sort of miss Muffineater’s “Will you be my friend?”, line followed by Treco’s frustrated gargling. Insofar as standard Muffineater tends to be overly concerned about being accepted by others, it somehow seems fitting that the artificially assertive version should use a sort of parody of this behavior to throw its antagonizer off guard. The aforementioned frustrated gargling also makes for a better transition to Treco’s “Did you deliver the [adjective] package or not?!” exclamation, which comes off a little less forcefully in the current version as a result of its absence.

    Also, due to the shrinking of the panel size vis-a-vis the original version and its being transferred to a row by itself to a row of three, I think the fact that the bow tie fool leans to the side knocking over the lamp is somewhat obscured in this version, to the point where the “my lamp burned out” sequence comes off as a bit confusing. I think this could probably be compensated for, however, by drawing our attention to the fool and its actions in the leaning panel, say by giving it a thought bubble, possibly one suggesting that it is leaning over in order to give us a better view of its bow tie (which it doubtless thinks we’re interested in seeing at all times). The fool’s facial expression also somehow seems less hilariously idiotic in this version, robbing the sequence of perhaps its most entertaining element.

    That all said, I see we’re coming up to Nemitz’s dramatic introduction soon. I presume this sequence is likely to be handled a bit differently in the retouched version in order to better highlight what would in retrospect prove to be one of this chapter’s more important occurrences?

  2. 2
    9:34 am, October 7, 2013
    PurpleSpace sez:

    I rather like that the lizard is talented enough to use its feet to drive when its hands are preoccupied with telephone-answering-related-activities.

    I imagine someone could have sold the lizard an extra car starting device under the guise of making the car harder to steal, so the car would need to be started up twice.

  3. 3
    7:20 pm, October 7, 2013
    Heapinfrimp sez:

    spacko:
    I think it should be noted that the lizard is a very bad driver!

    jiffy tube:
    I thought i was drawing too much attention to the lamp knocking over frame before, but it should probably be bigger than this. Indeed I wondered what you might say! I almost sent you the layout in advance but you probably observed that I did not.
    I did wonder if I should have the bow tie creature holding out a hand to point at its bowtie but considered it might be too obvious. But I suppose it needs to be obvious so that a lamp is clearly being knocked over. I drew its facial region fatter to match with how i have drawn it more recently. If that makes it seem less stupid that was unintended. I shall compare them later.

    “Will you be my friend?” I wasn’t expecting to be missed, but I was not expecting that it might be interpretable as sincere. from lope it is conceivable, but from hat-lope it seems too strange.
    I did not get far with any thought to rearrange the nemitz sighting, since I like that attention is not drawn to it. I want somebody to be able to think it is not important, but remember that it happened when the event is referred to later.

    And yet after reading your comment I considered the way I had the next page going. You may compare the two versions up to this point if you are curious. This layout has been unusually troublesome, since after making page 17 I thought I could just draw over the old pictures, and now I have [re]discovered why I do not do that. Indeed I already had realized it was a bad idea before I uploaded the comment about how I thought it was a good idea, but nobody has to know.

    I can definitely condense the lower two rows, and probably remove one or both mirror frames; I drew over the old ones without considering if they needed to be there. I wanted to think less! That never quite works out, alas.
    I want the “eat beets” comment to follow some sort of break, but I like it better interrupted by something other than the creature saying it. It might be possible to cut to kumquat to force an interruption, but kumquat isn’t supposed to be seen until the door opens. Maybe yibrick holding up the deleted “detour ceases” sign wonders if it can go back inside now.

    This reminds me; after deleting over 30,000 junk comments that had accumulated through 6 years and flushed their ghost mass out of some control system I was not aware I had, I freed about 400 megabytes of bim space. I can probably upload comic pages at this size (not necessarily this compression level) in the future. I have not been stuck at 1024×768 pixel resolution for long enough that I don’t remember how long ago it was that I was. Would it be rude to presume wider displays than that are “normal” now?

  4. 4
    12:26 am, October 8, 2013
    A rhizome with rhinitis sez:

    Having the bow tie fool point to its bowtie in the panel strikes me as a very elegant solution to the problem, actually. Not only does it draw attention to the lamp-toppling, it makes the movement which causes the event to occur one motivated by one of the fool’s central character traits, which makes said event seem more satisfying from a narrative perspective than having it be something that just sort of happens for no particular reason. A subtle difference in this particular case, perhaps, but the sort of subtlety that makes a work particularly enjoyable.

    I quite understand wanting to keep Nemitz-sighting low-key and seemingly unimportant, though I think the issue with the original version is that it’s not merely seemingly unimportant, it’s essentially non-registrable, even on a subconscious level. It was a very long time before I had ever noticed that a) We had actually seen Nemitz’s injury in-comic and b) Lope Muffineater was responsible, and my lack of forging this connection had a negative impact on the apparent narrative coherency of the chapter from my perspective. For the longest time, Chapter 1 felt more like two chapters to me, namely the package arc and the Nemitz/Elpse arc, with no seeming connection between the two halves besides the fact that both involve people showing up on Kumquat’s doorstep; the fact that the second incident was actually an unintended consequence of a minor event in the first part didn’t clearly come through. Which is a shame, as it’s a rather clever story development.

    Concerning the two preliminary versions of the page shown above, the first seems to suffer from the main problems as the original version; the imp who gets run down is simply not easily identifiable as Nemitz, and very likely wouldn’t even register as such upon a rereading of the entire comic where the reader already knows who Nemitz is. The second version is better, as it gives a clear view of Nemitz’s face, and the extended bounce and pitiful facial expression tie in well with Nemitz’s subsequent long-suffering status. However, instead of (or maybe in addition to) showing a small Burrito in the background of one panel shortly before the collision, might it not perhaps be better to show a small Nemitz and Elpse? This could have several positive effects. Firstly, it makes it more obvious that Muffineater is inadvertantly running down a pedestrian, making the event more concrete (and more likely for the reader to remember), along the lines of Fleepsy’s surprise victory, while not necessarily suggesting it to be any more important than the Fleepsy incident (but just as easy to recall when it is referenced later). Secondly, it subconsciously impresses in the reader’s mind the association between a green horned imp and an a reddish/orangish imp, making the reader far more likely to remember the pair later when they become of consequence. This changes the reader’s reaction when they later take central stage to “Hey, it’s those two background characters from earlier! Well wha’d’ya know, they were of significance after all!” rather than “Who are these people and why did they suddenly appear from nowhere to become the main character?”, which I fear was my initial reaction the very first time I read through the then-unfinished first chapter.

    Concerning resolutions, my gigantic computer can just barely fit one of the full-sized versions seen above onscreen, whereas my smaller travel computer cannot do so at all. On the whole, your current size seems to be more in line with what one general finds for full-standard-page webcomics, so I would not worry to much there. What more, it’s my understanding that forced side-scrolling is considered a criminal offense in some jurisdictions.

  5. 5
    6:12 pm, October 8, 2013
    Heapinfrimp sez:

    It was my intention to have an elpse angrily but vainly chase the car as it leaves (elpse would have been tending to nemitz and perhaps the bowling ball vendor while lope was engaged). When I FIRST “planned” the scene, rather a while ago, I drew the nemitz as a “cameo” of a creature I drew a lot, before I had decided how or if it would appear in a more useful way (or even what its name was, as you know). Thus I did not consider what elpse should be doing while witnessing that. I should draw the bowling ball stand further away, if anywhere, and imagine nemitz was tossed a considerable distance, preventing elpse being near enough to the car when it stops to chase or identify the driver. It does not hurt anything to have elpse near enough to almost be hit, however, I suppose.

    More recently, I believe I intentionally kept the connection vague, electing not to show lope in elpse’s little memory of the event. I meant to have it be revealed for certain only when elpse finally saw lope’s car again, but that ended up taking far longer than I anticipated. By now I have added another longterm “surprise” so it may be worth putting this one away if it gives a better impression of coherence (perhaps the other, as well).

RSS feed for comments, for they hunger.
This here`s me trackback!

Leave a comment. If you want to.

Apparently you can`t preview them, so don`t try anything dangerous.

Nobody I know has a website anymore

Mr. Sr. Mxy
Nowhere
Titash
pc72
Pickford
Gilhodes (bah you need a facebook account to see)
video game music database
pacific novelty
Green Lantern Head Trauma

i warned you about this
  • Less recent posts
  • April 2024
  • March 2024
  • February 2024
  • January 2024
  • December 2023
  • November 2023
  • October 2023
  • September 2023
  • August 2023
  • July 2023
  • June 2023
  • May 2023
  • April 2023
  • March 2023
  • February 2023
  • January 2023
  • December 2022
  • November 2022
  • October 2022
  • September 2022
  • August 2022
  • July 2022
  • June 2022
  • May 2022
  • April 2022
  • March 2022
  • February 2022
  • January 2022
  • December 2021
  • November 2021
  • October 2021
  • September 2021
  • August 2021
  • July 2021
  • June 2021
  • May 2021
  • April 2021
  • March 2021
  • February 2021
  • January 2021
  • December 2020
  • November 2020
  • October 2020
  • September 2020
  • August 2020
  • July 2020
  • June 2020
  • May 2020
  • April 2020
  • March 2020
  • February 2020
  • January 2020
  • December 2019
  • November 2019
  • October 2019
  • September 2019
  • August 2019
  • July 2019
  • June 2019
  • May 2019
  • April 2019
  • March 2019
  • February 2019
  • January 2019
  • December 2018
  • November 2018
  • October 2018
  • September 2018
  • August 2018
  • July 2018
  • June 2018
  • May 2018
  • April 2018
  • March 2018
  • February 2018
  • January 2018
  • December 2017
  • November 2017
  • October 2017
  • September 2017
  • August 2017
  • July 2017
  • June 2017
  • May 2017
  • April 2017
  • March 2017
  • February 2017
  • January 2017
  • December 2016
  • November 2016
  • October 2016
  • September 2016
  • August 2016
  • July 2016
  • June 2016
  • May 2016
  • April 2016
  • March 2016
  • February 2016
  • January 2016
  • December 2015
  • November 2015
  • October 2015
  • September 2015
  • August 2015
  • July 2015
  • June 2015
  • May 2015
  • April 2015
  • March 2015
  • February 2015
  • January 2015
  • December 2014
  • November 2014
  • October 2014
  • September 2014
  • August 2014
  • July 2014
  • June 2014
  • May 2014
  • April 2014
  • March 2014
  • February 2014
  • January 2014
  • December 2013
  • November 2013
  • October 2013
  • September 2013
  • August 2013
  • July 2013
  • June 2013
  • May 2013
  • April 2013
  • March 2013
  • February 2013
  • January 2013
  • December 2012
  • November 2012
  • October 2012
  • September 2012
  • August 2012
  • July 2012
  • June 2012
  • May 2012
  • April 2012
  • March 2012
  • February 2012
  • January 2012
  • December 2011
  • November 2011
  • October 2011
  • September 2011
  • August 2011
  • July 2011
  • June 2011
  • May 2011
  • April 2011
  • March 2011
  • February 2011
  • January 2011
  • December 2010
  • November 2010
  • October 2010
  • September 2010
  • August 2010
  • July 2010
  • June 2010
  • May 2010
  • April 2010
  • March 2010
  • February 2010
  • January 2010
  • December 2009
  • November 2009
  • October 2009
  • September 2009
  • August 2009
  • July 2009
  • June 2009
  • May 2009
  • April 2009
  • March 2009
  • February 2009
  • January 2009
  • December 2008
  • November 2008
  • October 2008
  • September 2008
  • August 2008
  • July 2008
  • June 2008
  • May 2008
  • April 2008
  • March 2008
  • February 2008
  • January 2008
  • December 2007
  • November 2007
  • October 2007
  • September 2007
  • August 2007
  • July 2007
  • June 2007
  • December 2004

  • May 2007
    April 2007
    March 2007
    February 2007
    January 2007
    December 2006
    November 2006
    October 2006
    September 2006
    August 2006
    July 2006
    June 2006
    May 2006
    April 2006
    March 2006
    February 2006
    January 2006
    December 2005
    November 2005
    October 2005
    September 2005
    August 2005
    July 2005
    June 2005
    Maypril 2005
    March 2005
    February 2005
    January 2005
    Novcember 2004
    October 2004
    September 2004
    August 2004
    July 2004
    Maune 2004
    April 2004
    Febrarch 2004
    January 2004
    December 2003
    Octvember 2003
    Augtember 2003
    Junly 2003
    Maypril 2003
    Febrarch 2003
    Octnovdecjan 20023
    Junulgustember 2002
    Maypril 2002
    This never happened


    old webpages
    Mall Meh...ness
    03-03-2007
    Labyrinthy
    02-22-2007
    Cartoons
    12-10-2006
    Ludicrous
    07-01-2006
    I do not approve.
    06-04-2006
    irrational complaining about my television set
    04-24-2006
    Dennises are dead to me
    04-17-2006
    web-tv
    04-08-2006
    This page is not about shoes.
    03-22-2006
    I hate shoes.
    03-11-2006
    something award related
    03-04-2006
    Bahrg.
    02-26-2006
    Those Green Eyes again
    01-28-2006
    More valid but unfunny Disney criticism
    01-15-2006
    MeSpace
    11-EH-2005
    Biggest Loser
    10-EH-2005
    Mall Blandness
    07-20-2005
    2004 advertisement complaint world championship
    01/05/05
    Belindi
    11/03/04
    Mall Egadness
    09/22/04
    Las Vegas
    07/30/04
    Spiderman 2
    07/20/04
    Jope and Dopes
    06/27/04
    These Green Eyes
    04/24/04
    Friday
    04/01/04
    Wedding
    03/07/04
    Game Over
    03/02/04
    McDenny's
    01/09/04
    Mall orneryness
    01/06/04
    Movies I'm not going to see
    11/14/03
    Back fashion school to
    09/14/03
    Movies Make Me Mad. Moreso.
    06/14/03
    JList
    06/03/03
    France
    03/31/03
    Official pizza of Nascar
    03/16/03
    Browsers
    02/23/03
    Michael Jackson
    2/16/03
    Free Speech
    02/05/03
    Thursday
    01/23/03
    Doofs
    01-whenever-03
    NO
    12/11/02
    Film Critics. I hate them.
    10/15/02
    Coconuts. I hate those as well.
    10/14/02
    Independence Day
    Some time in July 2001
    video games
    Runaway Rainbow
    12-29-2008
    Marsupilami part 1
    Marsupilami part 2
    02-12-2007
    Spirou part 1
    Spirou part 2
    05-26-2006
    Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure!
    04-18-2005
    Kirby part 1
    Kirby part 2
    Kirby part 3
    01/23/05
    Dynamite HeaddY
    07/04/04
    McDonald's Treasureland Adventure
    03/21/04
    Pac in Time part 1
    Pac in Time part 2
    02/12/04
    Air Fortress
    07/16/03
    Super Widget
    05/17/03
    Back to the Forest (the skunny page)
    01/21/03
    Tintin and the Prisoners of the Sun
    09/24/02
    Bip Bop II
    2001, a space waste
    Barney's Hide and Seek "Game"
    too late to make a difference
    Moraff's Dungeons of the Unforgiven
    before the one above it
    Super Games Galore! Doy!
    mysterious
    other things
    Awards this website hasn't won
    mysterious
    The first First Beet segment
    05/28/10
    Embarrassing pictures 1
    09/17/04
    Embarrassing pictures 2
    The same
    Umiliphus (my old derivative megamen sprite comic
    08/15/03
    Hopeless.swf
    11/24/04, (I can only justify this by calling it an experiment, so I shall)
    sandwich.swf
    02/16/05
    FACK
    ??/??/??
    Poetry Page
    The same